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	<title>Comments on: State Budget:  Another Mess at the End</title>
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		<title>by: Paul Zorn</title>
		<link>http://tomneuville.com/archives/187#comment-780</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 13:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, Ray ...

I have no quarrel with Tom's point about setting targets ahead of time, and I imagine almost everybody agrees that good legislation matters much more than parliamentary posturing or inside baseball.  

That former governors Carlson and Anderson both encouraged such negotiation sounds wise.   The key difference here is Gov. Pawlenty himself.  I never voted for Gov. Carlson, for instance, but  I appreciate that he was capable of taking and defending complex, even counterintuitive positions that went against both parties' grains.  And Arnie seemed to appreciate the role that government can play in contributing to Minnesota's special way and quality of life.

Pawlenty behaves, in public at least, like a one-trick pony. (And I don't like the trick.)  Maybe there's more to him than meets the eye, and perhaps he's secretly more accommodating than his public positions suggest. But if so, he should make this clear.   He made his own single-issue bed, and it's up to him to get out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Ray &#8230;</p>
<p>I have no quarrel with Tom&#8217;s point about setting targets ahead of time, and I imagine almost everybody agrees that good legislation matters much more than parliamentary posturing or inside baseball.  </p>
<p>That former governors Carlson and Anderson both encouraged such negotiation sounds wise.   The key difference here is Gov. Pawlenty himself.  I never voted for Gov. Carlson, for instance, but  I appreciate that he was capable of taking and defending complex, even counterintuitive positions that went against both parties&#8217; grains.  And Arnie seemed to appreciate the role that government can play in contributing to Minnesota&#8217;s special way and quality of life.</p>
<p>Pawlenty behaves, in public at least, like a one-trick pony. (And I don&#8217;t like the trick.)  Maybe there&#8217;s more to him than meets the eye, and perhaps he&#8217;s secretly more accommodating than his public positions suggest. But if so, he should make this clear.   He made his own single-issue bed, and it&#8217;s up to him to get out of it.
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		<title>by: Ray Cox</title>
		<link>http://tomneuville.com/archives/187#comment-762</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 20:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Now, now Bob and Paul....Tom is making valid points. 
I have no idea why financial targets were not made public as Tom noted. They should have been. If they were, much of this mess could be avoided. In my four years of service that was done and we all knew where we had to be. I served on the HiEd conference committee in 2005 and cannot imagine the House and Seante working well without agreed upon targets. I think that is what Tom is addressing.

And Paul, regardless of what is said in public about positions, you have to negotiate. I am sure there is reaonable room for the DFL and the Governor to negotiate on budgets and policy issues. I'm sure if I can think of several negotiation issues they (Sen. Pogemiller and Speaker Kelliher) can think of several ways to approach negotiations. 

Former Governors Carlson and Anderson were on MPR this morning. Both commented how it is important to set spending levels early. Gov. Anderson noted that in 1971 he didn't sign the tax bill until October because they couldn't agree on the revenue side of things. That was one looooooong session! 

But in the end I'm much less concerned about the length of the session----or special session---than I am the quality of the legislation that results from the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now Bob and Paul&#8230;.Tom is making valid points.<br />
I have no idea why financial targets were not made public as Tom noted. They should have been. If they were, much of this mess could be avoided. In my four years of service that was done and we all knew where we had to be. I served on the HiEd conference committee in 2005 and cannot imagine the House and Seante working well without agreed upon targets. I think that is what Tom is addressing.</p>
<p>And Paul, regardless of what is said in public about positions, you have to negotiate. I am sure there is reaonable room for the DFL and the Governor to negotiate on budgets and policy issues. I&#8217;m sure if I can think of several negotiation issues they (Sen. Pogemiller and Speaker Kelliher) can think of several ways to approach negotiations. </p>
<p>Former Governors Carlson and Anderson were on MPR this morning. Both commented how it is important to set spending levels early. Gov. Anderson noted that in 1971 he didn&#8217;t sign the tax bill until October because they couldn&#8217;t agree on the revenue side of things. That was one looooooong session! </p>
<p>But in the end I&#8217;m much less concerned about the length of the session&#8212;-or special session&#8212;than I am the quality of the legislation that results from the work.
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		<title>by: Paul Zorn</title>
		<link>http://tomneuville.com/archives/187#comment-741</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom wrote:

&lt;i&gt; The Governor has been very public about his position that a 10% increase in the biennial budget is a large enough, and that he won’t support any tax increase to fund state spending. It’s amazing that legislators leaders have not engaged in negotiations with the Governor sooner. &lt;/i&gt;

I'm amazed that Tom's amazed.    

For one thing, the Governor's &quot;very public&quot; position doesn't exactly invite &quot;negotiation&quot;.   For another, the Governor spends his weekends either fishing or jockeying for the vice presidency, not hanging around the Capitol waiting for legislators to call.
    
Tim Pawlenty knows the price of everything but the value of nothing --- and he ran on that cynical principle.   Can one really  negotiate with his ilk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom wrote:</p>
<p><i> The Governor has been very public about his position that a 10% increase in the biennial budget is a large enough, and that he won’t support any tax increase to fund state spending. It’s amazing that legislators leaders have not engaged in negotiations with the Governor sooner. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed that Tom&#8217;s amazed.    </p>
<p>For one thing, the Governor&#8217;s &#8220;very public&#8221; position doesn&#8217;t exactly invite &#8220;negotiation&#8221;.   For another, the Governor spends his weekends either fishing or jockeying for the vice presidency, not hanging around the Capitol waiting for legislators to call.</p>
<p>Tim Pawlenty knows the price of everything but the value of nothing &#8212; and he ran on that cynical principle.   Can one really  negotiate with his ilk?
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		<title>by: Bob Ewing</title>
		<link>http://tomneuville.com/archives/187#comment-732</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 12:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm trying to recall the Senator's outrage when in previous years, the Governor would make frequent trips to the Capital to have &quot;secret&quot; meetings with his caucus.  Perhaps he or someone else can help me remember.

It seems frustration and lack of trust become an issue when the Republicans control 1/3 of government rather than 2/3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to recall the Senator&#8217;s outrage when in previous years, the Governor would make frequent trips to the Capital to have &#8220;secret&#8221; meetings with his caucus.  Perhaps he or someone else can help me remember.</p>
<p>It seems frustration and lack of trust become an issue when the Republicans control 1/3 of government rather than 2/3.
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